General Discussions > Topic Details. It won't happen. The F-84F Thunderstreak is a further development of the preceding Thunderjet, introduced in the early 1950’s. The game is based around combined arms battles on air, land, and sea with vehicles from the Spanish Civil War … whats the big deal? In 1953, the USAF showed interest in the project, and proposed an open contest with Lockheed and multiple other firms for a supersonic interceptor, based wholly on performance. Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos. Or maybe the electric lighting for the UK? At this period, Mig21, F104, Mirage IIIC, etc, were operational with AAA missiles, and also with an important range of AG weapons, like CBU. Roughly 153 F-104As were produced, with 26 more being F-104B two-seat variants. 9.0? SOOOO Description The F-104C Starfighter is a rank VI American jet fighter with a battle rating of 9.7 (AB/SB) and 10.0 (RB). But i don't see so exciting flying at mach 2 trowing guided missiles... already the Jet fights are boring. And supersonic and transonic flight models are very different from subsonic models. about that, gaijin proved that they can "adjust" aka nerf or buff certain characteristics about their planes or tanks. Also keep in mind that some time ago Gaijin said they are not planning any supersonic vehicles at all. The F-104C Starfighter is a rank VI American jet fighter New ground … The F-104C can be outfitted with the following ordnance: Describe the tactics of playing in the aircraft, the features of using aircraft in a team and advice on tactics. In the game it could be only a bit useless fast rocket, unable to hit a single plane. The problem is by introducing the Fiat G91Y Gaijin opened a kind of "Pandora's box", because the Aircraft is now the most recent among the others. 4 M39 revolver cannons is equal to an M61a1 rotary cannon. The development history of the F-104 Starfighter begins in 1951, when Lockheed’s lead engineer visited US pilots in Korea. The feedback given to Johnson was clear - US planes were too large and complex and would often find themselves inferior to the much smaller and simpler Soviet MiG-15. In the end, over 2,500 Starfighters would be built, with most being gradually decommissioned by the end of the Cold War. How would this possibly work? If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB). The Lockheed F-104 Starfighter is a single-engine, supersonic interceptor aircraft which was extensively deployed as a fighter-bomber during the Cold War.Created as a day fighter by Lockheed as one of the … with a battle rating of 9.7 (AB/SB) and 10.0 (RB). The aircraft would incorporate the smallest airframe, combined with the most technologically advanced turbojet at the time, to create the base of what would become the F-104. More than two months since the last major update, War Thunder has finally received a brand-new pack of goodies. Maps are a problem, not only by their size, but mostly by their design. The G91's are similar in performances to the Sabre and the other planes. But i don't see the need/way to add supersonic planes. the m60's turret being wrongly modeled? this time around, its in favor of the russians. Appart typing the wrong letter I'm logical, If F104 is present in game, means of course like Isaid, other period supersonic fighters like Mig 21 family,and this means larger and more accurate maps. medium tanks accelerating so slow, even heavies can outmanouver them, no neutral steering for tanks which had it originally, wrong armor values und designed turret because of balancing issues? Lockheed evidently won the contest and approval for two prototypes to be produced and, in February of 1954, took flight for the first time. It's the same as the F-2 sabre. We could as well add different fighter, that would actually be suitable for the game with its real life performance. Powered by Invision Community. This is a subreddit for War Thunder, a cross platform vehicular combat MMO developed by Gaijin Entertainment for Microsoft Windows, macOS, Linux, PlayStation 4, Xbox One. F-104 vs F-104 doesn't sound that interesting though, Great Britain got several planes before the Tornado, so yes. Currently, G.91 despite being the most recent, is nowhere near being the best jet in the game. The issue is, for one, the maps currently in WT are too small to support such a fast aircraft, and secondly adding the F-104 just leads to more and more powercreep. Germany and Italy the F-104G (licenced version production with a lot of difference from the USA variant), the first Italian/German (even with GB) built plane was the Panavia Tornado in 1974... 20 years later than the F-104 and MiG 21, Japan will have F-104J (japanese version of the F-104G) As far as I know, nothing changed since then. The game is based around combined arms battles on air, land, and sea with vehicles from the Spanish Civil War … MiG 21 was fast as the F-104 and quite agile. The wings were one of the most unique parts of the aircraft, as well as its long fuselage taken up mostly by its large engine and fuel storage, and were only 4 inches and its thickest. Although "Starfighter" sounds great and also reveals that quite a few F-104 … the is6s viewport/optics aka blackhole which eats even apfsds? It is very quick, and as such is hard to catch. well it is in my opinion. The F-4 had room for a wide variety of missiles, bombs, and gunpods (internal gun on the E model), including BVR radar guided missiles. While a good idea, and in theory could work, the C-1 was also believed harmful in the case of a low-altitude ejection of the aircraft. If you believe that any vehicle is wrongly modelled, goes too fast or too slow, has too little or too much armour, it is a bug and you can report it here - assuming you have sufficient evidence that you are correct and the game is wrong. Im holding out for the tornado and all of its variants including the IDS SEAD … What you proposed is just ridiculous. The aircraft however was not without its problems, resulting in a four-year long developmental period for the aircraft. BTW, the timeline will progress and newer planes aswell as newer tanks will be introduced. Describe how the aircraft behaves in the air. This is a subreddit for War Thunder, a cross platform vehicular combat MMO developed by Gaijin Entertainment for Microsoft Windows, macOS, Linux, PlayStation 4, and Xbox One. im not saying russian bias, but american tanks f.e. How would this possibly work? It was introduced in Update "Starfighters". Germany and Italy the F-104G (licenced version production with a lot of difference from the USA variant). The F-104A is a very long plane and it is not very manoeuvrable, making it a large, easy target for enemy guns. F-104 Starfighter. It just doesn't work. ÚwÚ . Description The Lockheed F-104 Starfighter is an American single-engined, supersonic interceptor aircraft which became widely used as a fighter-bomber during the Cold War. In September of 1958 the USAF would get the F-104C, a dedicated fighter-bomber variant designed for the USAF's Tactical Air Command's 479th Tactical Fighter Squadron. On May 7th, 1958, Maj. Howard C. Johnson, in his F-104A, set a new world altitude record at 91,243 feet, and 11 days later another aircraft set a new speed record at 1,403.19 mph. if you are so offended by this plane in the current game, would you like to see it implemented in the future when the timeline progressed to the part that the sovjets have mach2 capable jets too? In the 1950s, the aircraft had come to be exactly what the public had expected a fighter of this magnitude to look like. The problem for afterburner is the fact that they allow you to go supersonic. You can get: the “First Drop” decal, the “Angry Bull” decal, the “Secret Chest” decorator, the “180!” decorator and the … As sexy as the starfighter is, and how much I want a plane with gatling BRRRT, There's gonna have to be things for each nation that compete :/, MiG-21F-13 and F-104 are fine and all, but idk about brits/Germans/and italians other than copy pasta F-104s, Japan will have F-104J (japanese version of the F-104G) Japan is getting literally the best F-104 and you want more. This thing is not only supersonic - Gaijin said some time ago that they are not planning any supersonic aircraft - but it's also MORE THAN TWO TIMES FASTER than the fastest jet in the game. Since the F-104A relies on high speed, it wouldn't need armour as that would reduce the speed and manoeuvrability of the plane. The F-104A spend a short time in USAF service before being send to Air National Guard (ANG) units, which some others being sent to foreign operators which had some success in their service. Do we give it battlerating of 13.0? On 11/8/2017 at 10:09 AM, Illusionyary said: Kfz-Meister(Car-Technician), Former Bundeswehr (Armed Forces). are a bit underperforming (engine power speaking)  It was introduced in Update "Starfighters". The F-104S is an Italian supersonic interceptor based on the … would be a good idea? Expensive ammo? Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but instead, give the reader food for thought. Military Factory - Lockheed F-104 Starfighter: This page was last edited on 24 January 2021, at 18:49. Capping a plane at 1300kmh is basically creating a plane that never existed, and from a FM creation point of view, that's a nightmare. Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example: © 2010—2021 by Gaijin Entertainment. This is a subreddit for War Thunder, a cross platform vehicular combat MMO developed by Gaijin Entertainment for Microsoft Windows, macOS, Linux, PlayStation 4, and Xbox One. I'm italian and I love the Starfighter, bit it was a sh*t of plane, in militar scenario. I guess the Japanese are fine since they used F-104s too, though. Developed from the start as a daytime air-superiority fighter with speed in mind, the Starfighter began life at Lockheed's famous "Skunk Works" facility in 1952 to combat the Soviet's new age of supersonic jet fighters. However, like most of the A models ended up, the C models were quickly transferred to Air National Guard (ANG) units both of which served until around 1975 in their service. On his return to the United States, Johnson assembled a team of engineers and started developing an aircraft that would address the concerns of the pilots. F-104 Starfighter, jet fighter, Rank VI. The altitude record was later bested by another variant of the aircraft, the F-104C, at a whopping altitude of 103,389 feet. NOW WOULD YOU GUYS LIKE TO SEE THAT F-104 OR NOT LOL, © 2021 by Gaijin Games Kft. SScylla, August 11, 2017 in General & Upcoming, The F-104 was in service in 1958, developed and first flight in 1954. In terms of armour, there is no armour on the F-104A. Therefore, a downward firing ejection seat known as the Stanley C-1 was fitted into early models of the F-104. It was used in 'Nam, so I thought this might be a good add onModel: Lockheed F-104 "Starfighter" (Widowmaker)Country of Origin: United StatesManufacturer: Lockheed Corporation- USAInitial Year of Service: 1958Production: 2.578. a nice bomb for this jet would be the BL755, an anti tank bomb, basically a clusterbomb with mini heat bomblets, it could be loaded with anti tank mines too.. Published by Gaijin Network Ltd. under the exclusive license. how long has the m103 been the subject of discussion, with the current ingame ap shell being the training shell, while the real shell being able to pen astonishing amounts of armor ? Guys please, have some common sense before posting something as ridiculous as this, because it just hurts my brain. What did i say. West Germany was, alongside the United States, the primary operator of the Starfighter, owning over 900 F-104s in its air force  at the peak of its service career. © 2021 by Gaijin Games Kft. The F-104C featured improvements over the F-104A in the form of a better fire-control system as well as hardpoints on the centerline on the belly and under the wings. G.91 R/1 and the sottoseries might be slightly out of the time frame, but they have comparable performance to the planes already in game. new era tanks and jets. Either way, 1300km/h is still way too fast, and its armament is too powerful to face jets currently in game. i dont want to rant here but claiming this addition would take away the realism while other parts of the game sure as hell arent realistic is kind of hypercritical, aint it? While having a history of accidents and high pilot attrition, the aircraft was fitted with an ejection seat. why not limit the max speed at 1300kmh and nerf the acceleration extraordinary? What is the point of adding a plane if we're going to completely change its flight model? it wouldnt feel much different then currently ingame. i am certain they wont stop there at 1959. It already has the best AAM of all of them and is getting leading indicator. After a failed introduction of the Stanley C-2 ejection seat, the problem was finally solved by the introduction of the Martin-Baker ejection system, particularly in foreign-operator's Starfighters. Furthermore, the F-104 also saw combat during the Indo-Pakistani Wars in the mid ‘60’s - early ‘70’s while flying under Pakistani colors. Most of ingame jets fits for Korean war period, add a plane which is more recent, will lead to such demands. Although it was slated to be fitted with the General Electric J79 turbofan, due to shortages of the engines the prototypes were mated to a license-built variant of the British Armstrong Siddeley Sapphire engine, called the Wright XJ65-W-6, until the initial power-plant was available. Plane, bike, hiking. the underperforming engines of the chieftain? War thunder uses the thrust values that the engine can output in the plane and while flying, this is applied to everyone. You don't know whether the timeline will progress or not. JPN: Navy Type 99 No.80 AP bomb: 800 kg: 30.1 kg: 0.0774: 10: 13: 17: 20: 9 ft/ 2.7 m: 148 ft/ 45.1 m: 83: Not a bug or mistake on the chart. just because im new to the forum doenst mean i dont have a clue. Examine the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. powercreep is no reason for me since there is and always was a powercreep. their tanks and aircraft got the itty bitty bit of an advantage over the others nations, which isnt "bad" per se, but its there. The result of this undertaking was the F-104 Starfighter, whose first prototype, designated XF-104, first took to the skies on the 4th March 1954. And of course leads to changes in maps and gameplay which are to happen sooner or later if Gaijin goes further in adding more recent vehicles. 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Roughly 153 F-104As were produced, with 26 more being F-104B two-seat variants. 9.0? SOOOO Description The F-104C Starfighter is a rank VI American jet fighter with a battle rating of 9.7 (AB/SB) and 10.0 (RB). But i don't see so exciting flying at mach 2 trowing guided missiles... already the Jet fights are boring. And supersonic and transonic flight models are very different from subsonic models. about that, gaijin proved that they can "adjust" aka nerf or buff certain characteristics about their planes or tanks. Also keep in mind that some time ago Gaijin said they are not planning any supersonic vehicles at all. The F-104C Starfighter is a rank VI American jet fighter New ground … The F-104C can be outfitted with the following ordnance: Describe the tactics of playing in the aircraft, the features of using aircraft in a team and advice on tactics. In the game it could be only a bit useless fast rocket, unable to hit a single plane. The problem is by introducing the Fiat G91Y Gaijin opened a kind of "Pandora's box", because the Aircraft is now the most recent among the others. 4 M39 revolver cannons is equal to an M61a1 rotary cannon. The development history of the F-104 Starfighter begins in 1951, when Lockheed’s lead engineer visited US pilots in Korea. The feedback given to Johnson was clear - US planes were too large and complex and would often find themselves inferior to the much smaller and simpler Soviet MiG-15. In the end, over 2,500 Starfighters would be built, with most being gradually decommissioned by the end of the Cold War. How would this possibly work? If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB). The Lockheed F-104 Starfighter is a single-engine, supersonic interceptor aircraft which was extensively deployed as a fighter-bomber during the Cold War.Created as a day fighter by Lockheed as one of the … with a battle rating of 9.7 (AB/SB) and 10.0 (RB). The aircraft would incorporate the smallest airframe, combined with the most technologically advanced turbojet at the time, to create the base of what would become the F-104. More than two months since the last major update, War Thunder has finally received a brand-new pack of goodies. Maps are a problem, not only by their size, but mostly by their design. The G91's are similar in performances to the Sabre and the other planes. But i don't see the need/way to add supersonic planes. the m60's turret being wrongly modeled? this time around, its in favor of the russians. Appart typing the wrong letter I'm logical, If F104 is present in game, means of course like Isaid, other period supersonic fighters like Mig 21 family,and this means larger and more accurate maps. medium tanks accelerating so slow, even heavies can outmanouver them, no neutral steering for tanks which had it originally, wrong armor values und designed turret because of balancing issues? Lockheed evidently won the contest and approval for two prototypes to be produced and, in February of 1954, took flight for the first time. It's the same as the F-2 sabre. We could as well add different fighter, that would actually be suitable for the game with its real life performance. Powered by Invision Community. This is a subreddit for War Thunder, a cross platform vehicular combat MMO developed by Gaijin Entertainment for Microsoft Windows, macOS, Linux, PlayStation 4, Xbox One. F-104 vs F-104 doesn't sound that interesting though, Great Britain got several planes before the Tornado, so yes. Currently, G.91 despite being the most recent, is nowhere near being the best jet in the game. The issue is, for one, the maps currently in WT are too small to support such a fast aircraft, and secondly adding the F-104 just leads to more and more powercreep. Germany and Italy the F-104G (licenced version production with a lot of difference from the USA variant), the first Italian/German (even with GB) built plane was the Panavia Tornado in 1974... 20 years later than the F-104 and MiG 21, Japan will have F-104J (japanese version of the F-104G) As far as I know, nothing changed since then. The game is based around combined arms battles on air, land, and sea with vehicles from the Spanish Civil War … MiG 21 was fast as the F-104 and quite agile. The wings were one of the most unique parts of the aircraft, as well as its long fuselage taken up mostly by its large engine and fuel storage, and were only 4 inches and its thickest. Although "Starfighter" sounds great and also reveals that quite a few F-104 … the is6s viewport/optics aka blackhole which eats even apfsds? It is very quick, and as such is hard to catch. well it is in my opinion. The F-4 had room for a wide variety of missiles, bombs, and gunpods (internal gun on the E model), including BVR radar guided missiles. While a good idea, and in theory could work, the C-1 was also believed harmful in the case of a low-altitude ejection of the aircraft. If you believe that any vehicle is wrongly modelled, goes too fast or too slow, has too little or too much armour, it is a bug and you can report it here - assuming you have sufficient evidence that you are correct and the game is wrong. Im holding out for the tornado and all of its variants including the IDS SEAD … What you proposed is just ridiculous. The aircraft however was not without its problems, resulting in a four-year long developmental period for the aircraft. BTW, the timeline will progress and newer planes aswell as newer tanks will be introduced. Describe how the aircraft behaves in the air. This is a subreddit for War Thunder, a cross platform vehicular combat MMO developed by Gaijin Entertainment for Microsoft Windows, macOS, Linux, PlayStation 4, and Xbox One. im not saying russian bias, but american tanks f.e. How would this possibly work? It was introduced in Update "Starfighters". Germany and Italy the F-104G (licenced version production with a lot of difference from the USA variant). The F-104A is a very long plane and it is not very manoeuvrable, making it a large, easy target for enemy guns. F-104 Starfighter. It just doesn't work. ÚwÚ . Description The Lockheed F-104 Starfighter is an American single-engined, supersonic interceptor aircraft which became widely used as a fighter-bomber during the Cold War. In September of 1958 the USAF would get the F-104C, a dedicated fighter-bomber variant designed for the USAF's Tactical Air Command's 479th Tactical Fighter Squadron. On May 7th, 1958, Maj. Howard C. Johnson, in his F-104A, set a new world altitude record at 91,243 feet, and 11 days later another aircraft set a new speed record at 1,403.19 mph. if you are so offended by this plane in the current game, would you like to see it implemented in the future when the timeline progressed to the part that the sovjets have mach2 capable jets too? In the 1950s, the aircraft had come to be exactly what the public had expected a fighter of this magnitude to look like. The problem for afterburner is the fact that they allow you to go supersonic. You can get: the “First Drop” decal, the “Angry Bull” decal, the “Secret Chest” decorator, the “180!” decorator and the … As sexy as the starfighter is, and how much I want a plane with gatling BRRRT, There's gonna have to be things for each nation that compete :/, MiG-21F-13 and F-104 are fine and all, but idk about brits/Germans/and italians other than copy pasta F-104s, Japan will have F-104J (japanese version of the F-104G) Japan is getting literally the best F-104 and you want more. This thing is not only supersonic - Gaijin said some time ago that they are not planning any supersonic aircraft - but it's also MORE THAN TWO TIMES FASTER than the fastest jet in the game. Since the F-104A relies on high speed, it wouldn't need armour as that would reduce the speed and manoeuvrability of the plane. The F-104A spend a short time in USAF service before being send to Air National Guard (ANG) units, which some others being sent to foreign operators which had some success in their service. Do we give it battlerating of 13.0? On 11/8/2017 at 10:09 AM, Illusionyary said: Kfz-Meister(Car-Technician), Former Bundeswehr (Armed Forces). are a bit underperforming (engine power speaking)  It was introduced in Update "Starfighters". The F-104S is an Italian supersonic interceptor based on the … would be a good idea? Expensive ammo? Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but instead, give the reader food for thought. Military Factory - Lockheed F-104 Starfighter: This page was last edited on 24 January 2021, at 18:49. Capping a plane at 1300kmh is basically creating a plane that never existed, and from a FM creation point of view, that's a nightmare. Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example: © 2010—2021 by Gaijin Entertainment. This is a subreddit for War Thunder, a cross platform vehicular combat MMO developed by Gaijin Entertainment for Microsoft Windows, macOS, Linux, PlayStation 4, and Xbox One. I'm italian and I love the Starfighter, bit it was a sh*t of plane, in militar scenario. I guess the Japanese are fine since they used F-104s too, though. Developed from the start as a daytime air-superiority fighter with speed in mind, the Starfighter began life at Lockheed's famous "Skunk Works" facility in 1952 to combat the Soviet's new age of supersonic jet fighters. However, like most of the A models ended up, the C models were quickly transferred to Air National Guard (ANG) units both of which served until around 1975 in their service. On his return to the United States, Johnson assembled a team of engineers and started developing an aircraft that would address the concerns of the pilots. F-104 Starfighter, jet fighter, Rank VI. The altitude record was later bested by another variant of the aircraft, the F-104C, at a whopping altitude of 103,389 feet. NOW WOULD YOU GUYS LIKE TO SEE THAT F-104 OR NOT LOL, © 2021 by Gaijin Games Kft. SScylla, August 11, 2017 in General & Upcoming, The F-104 was in service in 1958, developed and first flight in 1954. In terms of armour, there is no armour on the F-104A. Therefore, a downward firing ejection seat known as the Stanley C-1 was fitted into early models of the F-104. It was used in 'Nam, so I thought this might be a good add onModel: Lockheed F-104 "Starfighter" (Widowmaker)Country of Origin: United StatesManufacturer: Lockheed Corporation- USAInitial Year of Service: 1958Production: 2.578. a nice bomb for this jet would be the BL755, an anti tank bomb, basically a clusterbomb with mini heat bomblets, it could be loaded with anti tank mines too.. Published by Gaijin Network Ltd. under the exclusive license. how long has the m103 been the subject of discussion, with the current ingame ap shell being the training shell, while the real shell being able to pen astonishing amounts of armor ? Guys please, have some common sense before posting something as ridiculous as this, because it just hurts my brain. What did i say. West Germany was, alongside the United States, the primary operator of the Starfighter, owning over 900 F-104s in its air force  at the peak of its service career. © 2021 by Gaijin Games Kft. The F-104C featured improvements over the F-104A in the form of a better fire-control system as well as hardpoints on the centerline on the belly and under the wings. G.91 R/1 and the sottoseries might be slightly out of the time frame, but they have comparable performance to the planes already in game. new era tanks and jets. Either way, 1300km/h is still way too fast, and its armament is too powerful to face jets currently in game. i dont want to rant here but claiming this addition would take away the realism while other parts of the game sure as hell arent realistic is kind of hypercritical, aint it? While having a history of accidents and high pilot attrition, the aircraft was fitted with an ejection seat. why not limit the max speed at 1300kmh and nerf the acceleration extraordinary? What is the point of adding a plane if we're going to completely change its flight model? it wouldnt feel much different then currently ingame. i am certain they wont stop there at 1959. It already has the best AAM of all of them and is getting leading indicator. After a failed introduction of the Stanley C-2 ejection seat, the problem was finally solved by the introduction of the Martin-Baker ejection system, particularly in foreign-operator's Starfighters. Furthermore, the F-104 also saw combat during the Indo-Pakistani Wars in the mid ‘60’s - early ‘70’s while flying under Pakistani colors. Most of ingame jets fits for Korean war period, add a plane which is more recent, will lead to such demands. Although it was slated to be fitted with the General Electric J79 turbofan, due to shortages of the engines the prototypes were mated to a license-built variant of the British Armstrong Siddeley Sapphire engine, called the Wright XJ65-W-6, until the initial power-plant was available. Plane, bike, hiking. the underperforming engines of the chieftain? War thunder uses the thrust values that the engine can output in the plane and while flying, this is applied to everyone. You don't know whether the timeline will progress or not. JPN: Navy Type 99 No.80 AP bomb: 800 kg: 30.1 kg: 0.0774: 10: 13: 17: 20: 9 ft/ 2.7 m: 148 ft/ 45.1 m: 83: Not a bug or mistake on the chart. just because im new to the forum doenst mean i dont have a clue. Examine the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. powercreep is no reason for me since there is and always was a powercreep. their tanks and aircraft got the itty bitty bit of an advantage over the others nations, which isnt "bad" per se, but its there. The result of this undertaking was the F-104 Starfighter, whose first prototype, designated XF-104, first took to the skies on the 4th March 1954. And of course leads to changes in maps and gameplay which are to happen sooner or later if Gaijin goes further in adding more recent vehicles. 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To explain this; the map total size is like a national park, but the confrontation zone is similar to a Football stadium, with lot of unused space arround. Accelerates braking by grabbing the brake cable on the deck of the aircraft carrier, Allows you to dramatically reduce the flight speed by releasing special flaps, Reduces braking distance when landing on any runway, Notifies about the aircraft's exposure to laser or radio waves, 2 x AIM-9B Sidewinder air-to-air missiles, Standard Aircraft Characteristics of the F-104C, https://wiki.warthunder.com/index.php?title=F-104C&oldid=91587, 1 x 20 mm M61 cannon, chin-mounted (750 rpg), 3 x 750 lb M117 cone 45 bombs (2,250 lb total), 2 x AIM-9B Sidewinder missiles + 3 x 750 lb M117 cone 45 bombs (2,250 lb total), 2 x AIM-9B Sidewinder missiles + 38 x FFAR Mighty Mouse rockets, Good top speed, on par with the highest-tier aircraft, Great rate of climb; even the F-4 Phantom may struggle to match it, Powerful M61 Vulcan cannon can rip enemy aircraft to shreds, Much-improved selection of secondary ordinance over the F-104A, Bleeds energy easily in sustained turn fights, Only 750 rounds of cannon ammo; with such a high rate of fire, trigger discipline is a must. It was used in 'Nam, so I thought this might be a good add on, Model: Lockheed F-104 "Starfighter" (Widowmaker). The front gear can break at speed immediately after take-off, so if you don't retract gear in time it will break. This is a subreddit for War Thunder, a cross platform vehicular combat MMO developed by Gaijin Entertainment for Microsoft Windows, macOS, Linux, PlayStation 4, and Xbox One. By the end of it, 17 pre-production YF-104As had been built, tested, and used to iron out any problems that would be noticeable on the final F-104. The F-104J Starfighter is a rank VI Japanese jet fighter with a battle rating of 10.0 (AB/SB) and 10.3 (RB). The F-104 did not. From the start the F-104A smashed records, taking the record as the first operational fighter in service to succeed Mach 2, as well as going on to take the records for both altitude and speed in both the F-104A and F-104C variants respectively. As such, the only characteristic that should be relied upon for survivability is the plane's speed. All rights reserved. Gaijin balanced stuff based on statistics and BR, not on FM. Soon, pilots in War Thunder will have the chance to fly this truly iconic … F-104 and any other supersonic aircraft are not currently feasible in War Thunder. The game is based around combined arms battles on air, land, and sea with vehicles from the Spanish Civil War … And what about the other nations? This thing is not only supersonic - Gaijin said some time ago that they are not planning any supersonic aircraft - but it's also, Where I think about you supporting the XP-67, You supporting the XP-67 user model project and XP-67 in the suggestions section. Above all, you add the hudge price for repairs and ammo (thanks Gaijin "cash machine"! In War Thunder before the f- 104 starfighter is the first supersonic jet in the world to surpass the speed of Mark two and also the first one to reach a record altitude of 30 kilometers, The new update adds this … Expensive ammo? Pages Other Brand Video Game War Thunder … it was a logical step for gaijin to advance the in the time. Due to the great speed of the aircraft at Mach 2, it was believed that the seat wouldn't have enough time to clear the tail section in an ejection scenario. The brainchild of famed Lockheed engineer Clarence "Kelly" Johnson, after having spoken to USAF pilots about their experience in the Korean Air War, the F-104 Starfighter was innovative in both its design and speed. The Starfighter first flew in 1954, and looks a little like something from Thunderbirds. It does Mach 2 and has an afterburner. ), the result is less players, mixed battles on bad maps, and finally it's sometimes boring. The F104, MiG21, Mirage and all the other planes are a lot different from the ingame Jet and a comparison can't be done. Vehicles are not balanced by making them faster or slower, they are balanced by battlerating. War Thunder Montage- F-104C StarFighterMusic : ASTRONOMIA 2K19 - STEPHAN F+ 더이상 ROKT클랜 아니에요 High repair cost? Feb 4, 2020 @ 11:08pm ... We should get the F-84 and the F-104 though. The game is based around combined arms battles on air, land, and sea with vehicles from the Spanish Civil War … The Soviets would have to have the Su-9 added (for example), which is still nearly 400KMH slower than the F-104. This exact bomb type is basically a battleship … The aircraft also introduced the ability to refuel mid-flight via a probe running along the right side of the aircraft, extending the reach of the aircraft somewhat. The F-104 did not (Except 2x AIM-7 on the Italian F … when a tank was advertized with 50kmh speed offroad and barely reaches 40kmh on a road its something i get bugged off. Strongly resembling its predecessor, the F-84F offers improved performance to a somewhat familiar airframe and will await all pilots in the upcoming War Thunder … Published by Gaijin Network Ltd. under the exclusive license. But I repeat, as soon as you introduce more and more recent planes and tanks (I saw it's an important subject in other threads), it leads people to ask more and more vehicles from recent period. On which map? reports do.... nothing. War Thunder > General Discussions > Topic Details. It won't happen. The F-84F Thunderstreak is a further development of the preceding Thunderjet, introduced in the early 1950’s. The game is based around combined arms battles on air, land, and sea with vehicles from the Spanish Civil War … whats the big deal? In 1953, the USAF showed interest in the project, and proposed an open contest with Lockheed and multiple other firms for a supersonic interceptor, based wholly on performance. Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos. Or maybe the electric lighting for the UK? At this period, Mig21, F104, Mirage IIIC, etc, were operational with AAA missiles, and also with an important range of AG weapons, like CBU. Roughly 153 F-104As were produced, with 26 more being F-104B two-seat variants. 9.0? SOOOO Description The F-104C Starfighter is a rank VI American jet fighter with a battle rating of 9.7 (AB/SB) and 10.0 (RB). But i don't see so exciting flying at mach 2 trowing guided missiles... already the Jet fights are boring. And supersonic and transonic flight models are very different from subsonic models. about that, gaijin proved that they can "adjust" aka nerf or buff certain characteristics about their planes or tanks. Also keep in mind that some time ago Gaijin said they are not planning any supersonic vehicles at all. The F-104C Starfighter is a rank VI American jet fighter New ground … The F-104C can be outfitted with the following ordnance: Describe the tactics of playing in the aircraft, the features of using aircraft in a team and advice on tactics. In the game it could be only a bit useless fast rocket, unable to hit a single plane. The problem is by introducing the Fiat G91Y Gaijin opened a kind of "Pandora's box", because the Aircraft is now the most recent among the others. 4 M39 revolver cannons is equal to an M61a1 rotary cannon. The development history of the F-104 Starfighter begins in 1951, when Lockheed’s lead engineer visited US pilots in Korea. The feedback given to Johnson was clear - US planes were too large and complex and would often find themselves inferior to the much smaller and simpler Soviet MiG-15. In the end, over 2,500 Starfighters would be built, with most being gradually decommissioned by the end of the Cold War. How would this possibly work? If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB). The Lockheed F-104 Starfighter is a single-engine, supersonic interceptor aircraft which was extensively deployed as a fighter-bomber during the Cold War.Created as a day fighter by Lockheed as one of the … with a battle rating of 9.7 (AB/SB) and 10.0 (RB). The aircraft would incorporate the smallest airframe, combined with the most technologically advanced turbojet at the time, to create the base of what would become the F-104. More than two months since the last major update, War Thunder has finally received a brand-new pack of goodies. Maps are a problem, not only by their size, but mostly by their design. The G91's are similar in performances to the Sabre and the other planes. But i don't see the need/way to add supersonic planes. the m60's turret being wrongly modeled? this time around, its in favor of the russians. Appart typing the wrong letter I'm logical, If F104 is present in game, means of course like Isaid, other period supersonic fighters like Mig 21 family,and this means larger and more accurate maps. medium tanks accelerating so slow, even heavies can outmanouver them, no neutral steering for tanks which had it originally, wrong armor values und designed turret because of balancing issues? Lockheed evidently won the contest and approval for two prototypes to be produced and, in February of 1954, took flight for the first time. It's the same as the F-2 sabre. We could as well add different fighter, that would actually be suitable for the game with its real life performance. Powered by Invision Community. This is a subreddit for War Thunder, a cross platform vehicular combat MMO developed by Gaijin Entertainment for Microsoft Windows, macOS, Linux, PlayStation 4, Xbox One. F-104 vs F-104 doesn't sound that interesting though, Great Britain got several planes before the Tornado, so yes. Currently, G.91 despite being the most recent, is nowhere near being the best jet in the game. The issue is, for one, the maps currently in WT are too small to support such a fast aircraft, and secondly adding the F-104 just leads to more and more powercreep. Germany and Italy the F-104G (licenced version production with a lot of difference from the USA variant), the first Italian/German (even with GB) built plane was the Panavia Tornado in 1974... 20 years later than the F-104 and MiG 21, Japan will have F-104J (japanese version of the F-104G) As far as I know, nothing changed since then. The game is based around combined arms battles on air, land, and sea with vehicles from the Spanish Civil War … MiG 21 was fast as the F-104 and quite agile. The wings were one of the most unique parts of the aircraft, as well as its long fuselage taken up mostly by its large engine and fuel storage, and were only 4 inches and its thickest. Although "Starfighter" sounds great and also reveals that quite a few F-104 … the is6s viewport/optics aka blackhole which eats even apfsds? It is very quick, and as such is hard to catch. well it is in my opinion. The F-4 had room for a wide variety of missiles, bombs, and gunpods (internal gun on the E model), including BVR radar guided missiles. While a good idea, and in theory could work, the C-1 was also believed harmful in the case of a low-altitude ejection of the aircraft. If you believe that any vehicle is wrongly modelled, goes too fast or too slow, has too little or too much armour, it is a bug and you can report it here - assuming you have sufficient evidence that you are correct and the game is wrong. Im holding out for the tornado and all of its variants including the IDS SEAD … What you proposed is just ridiculous. The aircraft however was not without its problems, resulting in a four-year long developmental period for the aircraft. BTW, the timeline will progress and newer planes aswell as newer tanks will be introduced. Describe how the aircraft behaves in the air. This is a subreddit for War Thunder, a cross platform vehicular combat MMO developed by Gaijin Entertainment for Microsoft Windows, macOS, Linux, PlayStation 4, and Xbox One. im not saying russian bias, but american tanks f.e. How would this possibly work? It was introduced in Update "Starfighters". Germany and Italy the F-104G (licenced version production with a lot of difference from the USA variant). The F-104A is a very long plane and it is not very manoeuvrable, making it a large, easy target for enemy guns. F-104 Starfighter. It just doesn't work. ÚwÚ . Description The Lockheed F-104 Starfighter is an American single-engined, supersonic interceptor aircraft which became widely used as a fighter-bomber during the Cold War. In September of 1958 the USAF would get the F-104C, a dedicated fighter-bomber variant designed for the USAF's Tactical Air Command's 479th Tactical Fighter Squadron. On May 7th, 1958, Maj. Howard C. Johnson, in his F-104A, set a new world altitude record at 91,243 feet, and 11 days later another aircraft set a new speed record at 1,403.19 mph. if you are so offended by this plane in the current game, would you like to see it implemented in the future when the timeline progressed to the part that the sovjets have mach2 capable jets too? In the 1950s, the aircraft had come to be exactly what the public had expected a fighter of this magnitude to look like. The problem for afterburner is the fact that they allow you to go supersonic. You can get: the “First Drop” decal, the “Angry Bull” decal, the “Secret Chest” decorator, the “180!” decorator and the … As sexy as the starfighter is, and how much I want a plane with gatling BRRRT, There's gonna have to be things for each nation that compete :/, MiG-21F-13 and F-104 are fine and all, but idk about brits/Germans/and italians other than copy pasta F-104s, Japan will have F-104J (japanese version of the F-104G) Japan is getting literally the best F-104 and you want more. This thing is not only supersonic - Gaijin said some time ago that they are not planning any supersonic aircraft - but it's also MORE THAN TWO TIMES FASTER than the fastest jet in the game. Since the F-104A relies on high speed, it wouldn't need armour as that would reduce the speed and manoeuvrability of the plane. The F-104A spend a short time in USAF service before being send to Air National Guard (ANG) units, which some others being sent to foreign operators which had some success in their service. Do we give it battlerating of 13.0? On 11/8/2017 at 10:09 AM, Illusionyary said: Kfz-Meister(Car-Technician), Former Bundeswehr (Armed Forces). are a bit underperforming (engine power speaking)  It was introduced in Update "Starfighters". The F-104S is an Italian supersonic interceptor based on the … would be a good idea? Expensive ammo? Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but instead, give the reader food for thought. Military Factory - Lockheed F-104 Starfighter: This page was last edited on 24 January 2021, at 18:49. Capping a plane at 1300kmh is basically creating a plane that never existed, and from a FM creation point of view, that's a nightmare. Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example: © 2010—2021 by Gaijin Entertainment. This is a subreddit for War Thunder, a cross platform vehicular combat MMO developed by Gaijin Entertainment for Microsoft Windows, macOS, Linux, PlayStation 4, and Xbox One. I'm italian and I love the Starfighter, bit it was a sh*t of plane, in militar scenario. I guess the Japanese are fine since they used F-104s too, though. Developed from the start as a daytime air-superiority fighter with speed in mind, the Starfighter began life at Lockheed's famous "Skunk Works" facility in 1952 to combat the Soviet's new age of supersonic jet fighters. However, like most of the A models ended up, the C models were quickly transferred to Air National Guard (ANG) units both of which served until around 1975 in their service. On his return to the United States, Johnson assembled a team of engineers and started developing an aircraft that would address the concerns of the pilots. F-104 Starfighter, jet fighter, Rank VI. The altitude record was later bested by another variant of the aircraft, the F-104C, at a whopping altitude of 103,389 feet. NOW WOULD YOU GUYS LIKE TO SEE THAT F-104 OR NOT LOL, © 2021 by Gaijin Games Kft. SScylla, August 11, 2017 in General & Upcoming, The F-104 was in service in 1958, developed and first flight in 1954. In terms of armour, there is no armour on the F-104A. Therefore, a downward firing ejection seat known as the Stanley C-1 was fitted into early models of the F-104. It was used in 'Nam, so I thought this might be a good add onModel: Lockheed F-104 "Starfighter" (Widowmaker)Country of Origin: United StatesManufacturer: Lockheed Corporation- USAInitial Year of Service: 1958Production: 2.578. a nice bomb for this jet would be the BL755, an anti tank bomb, basically a clusterbomb with mini heat bomblets, it could be loaded with anti tank mines too.. Published by Gaijin Network Ltd. under the exclusive license. how long has the m103 been the subject of discussion, with the current ingame ap shell being the training shell, while the real shell being able to pen astonishing amounts of armor ? Guys please, have some common sense before posting something as ridiculous as this, because it just hurts my brain. What did i say. West Germany was, alongside the United States, the primary operator of the Starfighter, owning over 900 F-104s in its air force  at the peak of its service career. © 2021 by Gaijin Games Kft. The F-104C featured improvements over the F-104A in the form of a better fire-control system as well as hardpoints on the centerline on the belly and under the wings. G.91 R/1 and the sottoseries might be slightly out of the time frame, but they have comparable performance to the planes already in game. new era tanks and jets. Either way, 1300km/h is still way too fast, and its armament is too powerful to face jets currently in game. i dont want to rant here but claiming this addition would take away the realism while other parts of the game sure as hell arent realistic is kind of hypercritical, aint it? While having a history of accidents and high pilot attrition, the aircraft was fitted with an ejection seat. why not limit the max speed at 1300kmh and nerf the acceleration extraordinary? What is the point of adding a plane if we're going to completely change its flight model? it wouldnt feel much different then currently ingame. i am certain they wont stop there at 1959. It already has the best AAM of all of them and is getting leading indicator. After a failed introduction of the Stanley C-2 ejection seat, the problem was finally solved by the introduction of the Martin-Baker ejection system, particularly in foreign-operator's Starfighters. Furthermore, the F-104 also saw combat during the Indo-Pakistani Wars in the mid ‘60’s - early ‘70’s while flying under Pakistani colors. Most of ingame jets fits for Korean war period, add a plane which is more recent, will lead to such demands. Although it was slated to be fitted with the General Electric J79 turbofan, due to shortages of the engines the prototypes were mated to a license-built variant of the British Armstrong Siddeley Sapphire engine, called the Wright XJ65-W-6, until the initial power-plant was available. Plane, bike, hiking. the underperforming engines of the chieftain? War thunder uses the thrust values that the engine can output in the plane and while flying, this is applied to everyone. You don't know whether the timeline will progress or not. JPN: Navy Type 99 No.80 AP bomb: 800 kg: 30.1 kg: 0.0774: 10: 13: 17: 20: 9 ft/ 2.7 m: 148 ft/ 45.1 m: 83: Not a bug or mistake on the chart. just because im new to the forum doenst mean i dont have a clue. Examine the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. powercreep is no reason for me since there is and always was a powercreep. their tanks and aircraft got the itty bitty bit of an advantage over the others nations, which isnt "bad" per se, but its there. The result of this undertaking was the F-104 Starfighter, whose first prototype, designated XF-104, first took to the skies on the 4th March 1954. And of course leads to changes in maps and gameplay which are to happen sooner or later if Gaijin goes further in adding more recent vehicles. 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